The Journey 139. John Loftus: Russia Used America as a Testing Ground for Bioweapons

Publisher R. A. “Kris” Millegan speaks with John Loftus, former Army intelligence officer, Justice Department investigator, and U.S. government prosecutor, about Germans and Soviets secretly developing weapons together after World War I; the gene manipulation the Soviets could do in the 1920s; the deadly nerve gas the Nazis almost had ready to drop on Moscow and London in 1945; Richard Nixon blackmailing the Dulles brothers in the 1940s about their clients who invested in Nazi Germany in exchange for help launching his political career; the Nazis that Nelson Rockefeller helped smuggle into Latin America after WW2; John’s best guess that Covid-19 was Russian-created as an economic weapon against China; the September 2019 explosion in the Russian lab that likely spread the disease into China; and the amazing revelations in THE SLEEPER AGENT: The Rise of Lyme Disease, Chronic Illness, and the Great Imitator Antigens of Biological Warfare by A. W. Finnegan, now available at TrineDay.com and the usual sellers.

Kris: Thank you, John, for coming on. You are a national treasure as far as I’m concerned. I want to talk about behind the scenes. Behind the curtain. I keep trying to understand what my dad told me many years ago. He was a man who was behind the curtain.

John: He was a member of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Kris: He started under Archibald MacLeish [who was a member of Skull and Bones] in the Library of Congress. Dad was told to become an expert on the Philippines. Then dad was in COI (Office of Coordinator of Information, “an intelligence and propaganda agency of the United States Government” –Wikipedia). Then COI changed to OSS (Office of Strategic Services, “America’s first intelligence agency” – cia.gov).

And then he got drafted. And OSS said, “Great. We’re going to put you into G2 (“the military intelligence staff in the United States Army at the Divisional Level and above” -Wikipedia) and put you on MacArthur’s staff because we don’t trust MacArthur and Willoughby.”

Dad got in trouble because he put some of MacArthur’s friends in jail, so they had to replace him, and they replaced him with a guy named Lansdale that he’d been working on (with?). Then dad became head of research and analysis for the invasion of Japan. Then he was in the CIA, and he was Branch Chief Head of all of East Asia Analysis Office.

When I was 19 my dad says to me [10 years after he left the CIA], “The Vietnam War is about drugs. There’s these secret societies behind it.” And then he says, “And communism is all a sham. These same secret societies are behind it all. It’s all a big game.”

At that, he completely blew my mind. It took me 20 years to even get a handle on that. And now I’m reading THE SLEEPER AGENT. And another book we’re looking to put out, BATTLESPACE OF MIND. One thing I’m finding in both of these is these secret agreements between the Germans and the Russians that seem to really effect our life today. You’ve been behind the curtain. What can you tell us about these things?

John: After World War I, there were all these restrictions placed on the German army by the Versailles Treaty. So, they cut a deal with Stalin, behind closed doors, that the German army could train the next generation, and that German scientists would work with Russian scientists to develop new and more dangerous weapons. And the weapons they were coming up with were in the chemical and biological warfare range.

Now when Hitler came to power, he put an end to this collaboration. But it was pretty nasty stuff.

[By World War II] the Germans had come up with nerve gas. Incredibly powerful stuff. A microscopic drop on your skin would kill you. They were going to put it on top of the V-3 rocket and wipe out London and then New York. It was Hitler’s secret weapon. They had huge factories to manufacture tons of it. If the war had gone a couple of months longer, this chemical weapon could have taken out Moscow and London simultaneously.

There was one area of science where the Russians were way ahead of the rest of the world. Botany. The genetics of botany was something that they specialized in, to increase crop production and things. Using this new technique of vegetative hybridization, they could develop ways of combating plant diseases. That worked real well. So, then they tried it on animals. And they found out that some of this stuff was really deadly.

They found a way of changing the genes of both plant and animal diseases very, very rapidly, called serial passages. They would come up not only with a new disease for plants or animals, but also with a new vaccine or antidote for it, that no one else had. No one knew this was happening until they started using it on their own Asian and Muslim populations in Russia. They used ticks attached to camels and a million people died.

People of the west just would not believe that Russia was so advanced in the manipulation of genes in biology [back in the 1920 and ‘30s].

[Then Kris and John discuss political corruption in America; for instance how Richard Nixon blackmailed the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen, in the 1940s about their clients who invested in Nazi Germany, in exchange for help launching Nixon’s political career, and they discuss how Henry Kissinger seemed to discover and use to his advantage the same knowledge, and how he seemed to work in every office that was involved with smuggling Nazis out of Germany and into Argentina, Canada, and the United States after WW2.]

John: Anyone can make a short-term profit if you sell your country out. And Nixon and Kissinger did that.

Kris: Nixon, in ’46 he’s a representative, [in ‘50 he’s a senator,] and in ’52 he’s vice president.

John: Rockefeller made sure that he would be there to keep an eye on Ike. Because Ike had appointed the Dulles brothers. One was secretary of state, and the other was head of the CIA. And Nixon was vice president to keep an eye on those two guys and [for] plausible deniability. Ike could say that he didn’t know what was going on with the Nazis.