The Journey Podcast 29. Jay Dyer: Man Has Got To Have Meaning

Publisher Kris Millegan with Jay Dyer, author (“Esoteric Hollywood: Sex, Cults and Symbols in Film,” and “Esoteric Hollywood 2”), comedian and TV presenter known for his deep analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, and culture.  Psychological warfare, propaganda, mind control.  Plato’s allegory of the cave.  The technocracy that wants everybody debased, demoralized and immersed in virtual worlds in their homes.  The bondage, once discussed, starts to break apart.  Hopefully, because the system is based on false suppositions about humanity, and is evil, it will fall apart of its own accord.

K: My daddy was a spook.  He told me, “They’re out to opiate your whole generation.  The Vietnam War is about drugs.  And communism’s all a sham.  These same secret societies are behind it all.  It’s all a big game.  They’re playing out a ‘lose’ scenario in Vietnam.”  Then he talked about psychological warfare, and propaganda, and “sway pieces.”  I was reading about the Kennedy assassination and what I call CIA drugs, which has two sides: narcotics importation and distribution, and MKULTRA [mind control].  When you look at mind control, you look at Hollywood.

J: I was studying the history of philosophy.  A history of Hollywood class led me to study the tools used by the intelligence agencies/the deep state to control people – psychological warfare.  Many movie plots are conspiratorial.  They’re disinformation, a lot of them, and propaganda.  They give you the starting ground that maybe what we’re told isn’t true.

Plato’s allegory of the cave … people are entranced by shadows on the wall, thinking they’re reality.  Most resist when told that what we’re seeing isn’t real.  Aristotle, who was Plato’s student, was really the first scientist, studying the here and the now, causes and effects, emphasizing the things of this world more than Plato, who emphasized the transcendent, the realm of “the forms,” where reside ideal versions of the things we see and live with.  (Socrates was Plato’s teacher, and he didn’t write anything.  All we know about Socrates is what’s in Plato’s writings.)

K: What do you think of today’s world?  What can we do to make it better?

J: There’s a combination of problems in the world.  Spiritual problems.  People entranced by video games.  People moving into those virtual worlds, a huge realm for mind control, social engineering, and propaganda.  Man’s got to find his meaning.  He’s going to be lost and lose his meaning.  That’s the main issue today.  We’re going to go under a technocratic regime that will be global.  That will be very heavy-handed and worse than any of the previous tyrannies or empires that have existed.  It’s going to be pretty hellish.  And man’s got to have meaning.  Man’s got to have rule of law.

K: The TV, the video game, and movies are generally much more influential on our kids than we are.

J: I think Hollywood is going in the direction of full-on Matrix basically.  They want everybody immersed in the virtual worlds in their homes.  It’s still churning out content I liken to MKULTRA mind control.  I imagine the “entertainment” will get more and more degenerate.  More and more debased.  That’s part of psychological warfare.  You can defeat an enemy not just by warfare but also through debasement and demoralization.  Entertainment in Hollywood plays a big role in doing that.  And the internet takes things globally.

K: I think we’re in a flux period, where the script can be flipped to a certain extent.  The bondage must remain secret.  Once spoken about, it starts to break apart.

J: When you look into the history of the really wealthy families of the last few centuries, they were running drugs.  There’s always more to learn about the Mafia and Hollywood, the intelligence agencies and Hollywood, the deep state, the Pentagon.  My hope is that the system, because it’s based on false suppositions, will fall apart.  That it won’t work.

K: That’s what Anthony Sutton said.  That the evil will fall apart on its own accord.